Wi-Fi and electrostress

[Grahame]

There was a rather interesting programme on Radio 4's 'You and Yours' this afternoon, on the electrostress caused by Wi-Fi base stations.

"An American scientist in London last week to address the possible health effects of wi-fi says it's just as dangerous as the radiation emitted from mobile phone masts. But with no peer-reviewed scientific evidence who's right?"

Some interesting reports from sufferers, but the usual BBC 'restrained scepticism' attitude to it all.
Surprisingly, they stuck with the American scientist and didn't consult with the UK's Powerwatch or other organisations.

Click here to go to the Radio 4 Listen Again page.

[john23]

There was a rather interesting programme on Radio 4's 'You and Yours' this afternoon, on the electrostress caused by Wi-Fi base stations."An American scientist in London last week to address the possible health effects of wi-fi says it’s just as dangerous as the radiation emitted from mobile phone masts. But with no peer-reviewed scientific evidence who’s right?"Some interesting reports from sufferers, but the usual BBC 'restrained scepticism' attitude to it all.Surprisingly, they stuck with the American scientist and didn't consult with the UK's Powerwatch or other organisations..

Wifi is pretty nasty IMO, never having that in my house, and I bet he is right. You have to make up your own mind as there is a huge covert agenda going on that has no limit to its funding. Even if it was just to make money off the phone bills. If you stand next to a tower you can feel the energy is way more than needed, and if you log all the other poisoning rackets as I have done http://www.whale.to/b/covert_q.html then it is pretty obvious. As to Wi fi, don't know if that is part of that but a friend said he sudeenly got electro pollution when his IT man told him to drive into any housing estate with his laptop whenever he needed to access the internet.

With medicine they just churn out fraudulent studies one after another eg to 'prove' MMR is safe, never mind how many kids are going to get autism day in day out, so that is just one drug with thousands of kids being maimed every day just to save their vaccine industry.

This sort of mentality is called psychopathy and this quote points out its best defence:

“It is as hard for the good to suspect evil, as it is for the evil to suspect good.”- Marcus Tullius Cicero, Statesman, orator, writer (106-43 BCE) http://www.whale.to/b/psychopaths_h.html

The BBC is run by the Corporations, end of story. Pharma propaganda is its speciality----vivisection programme by joan bakewell was a classic.

Only Channell 4 managed to get past the censors with a drama doc on MMR Hear the Silence, but they had to end it with wall to wall propaganda. And John Judge did a good one on that, but only drama, know the writer or advisor.

Last media investigation into a childhood vaccine was in 1984, in a Provincial US paper, the Fresno bee, where an MD said he was convinced the DPt vaccine was killing 100 kids a year! Those were the days

[ocd]

john 23
Autistic Spectrum Disorder is a triad of impairement
1 lack of social skills
2 lack of empathy
3 lack of imagination

Autism is a spectrum that has come to include Aspergers and ADHD in recent years. Therefore the number of cases has increased purely on that basis alone. On top of that it was a condition that up until the mid 1980's was mostly put into the brackets of learning disabilities and schizophrenia.
Many people in the past simply weren't diagnosed with it, now it has been studied and is more understood as a disorder.

The latest unbiased research suggests that it could be a chromosone deficiency that occurs in the womb, due to the nature of autism it cannot be tested for until the child is a toddler and is starting to speak.( after the vaccination).
In the past other things were demonised and accused of causing autism and these have now fallen by the way side.

I have worked with a company for the last 4 years who specialise in caring for people with autism, they have been doing this for 25 years.

I don't believe autism is something you get from a drug or vaccination. Everyone carries autistic traits in some people they are more pronounced, I think it's a genetic trait that has been in the human race from the year dot. We have just become better at reconising it and labelling it as a disorder, in our society based on science.
In the past these people would have just been considered backward or simple by society.

ocd

[john23]

Vax autism quotes http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vax_autism_q.html
Autism and genetics http://www.whale.to/vaccines/autism_genetics.html
Autism due to better or changed diagnosis http://www.whale.to/a/autism_diagnosis.html

Government studies http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mmr54.html

Independent studies http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mmr58.html

Eg Dan Olmsted http://www.whale.to/vaccine/olmsted_h.html
"A specter is haunting the medical and journalism establishments of the United States: Where are the unvaccinated people with autism?"

and regressive autism is a pretty big clue http://www.whale.to/vaccine/late_onset_autism.html

"I would also be particularly interested to learn of any documented cases of completely unvaccinated children who have later dramatically and inexplicably regressed into autism after a normal infancy. To date, no such case has ever been identified to me."---David Thrower

And autism is pretty identical to mercury poisoning:

"I think that the biological case against Thimerosal is so dramatically overwhelming anymore that only a very foolish or a very dishonest person with the credentials to understand this research would say that Thimerosal wasn’t most likely the cause of autism."--- Interview of Dr. Boyd E. Haley by Teri Small:

he must be the world's leading independent expert of mercury toxicity.

the only way genetics come into it is increased sensitivity to mercury.

as to the MMR doesn't contain mercury argument:

"As a clinician, my current belief which guides my practice with these children is that any child given the HepB vaccination at birth and subsequent boosters along with DPT has received unacceptable levels of neurotoxin in the form of the ethyl mercury in the thimerosal preservative used in the vaccine. In any child with a genetic immune susceptibility (probably about one in six) this sets off a series of events that injure the brain-gut-immune system. By the time they are ready to receive the MMR vaccination, their immune system is so impaired in a great number of these children that the triple vaccine cannot be handled by the now dysfunctional immune system and they begin their obvious descent into the autistic spectrum disorder."---Jaquelyn McCandless, M.D

A lot of people are going to be pretty upset when MMR goes down and takes the vaccine programme with it, I have to say. Last MMR was withdrawn by the way.

"Nancy Hokkanen came up with one of the greatest analogies ever to describe the autism and vaccine controversy and how it feels to us parents of kids with autism. She compared it to the Catholic Church's cover up of decades of sexual abuse."-

The medical industry, being a monopoly in league with the government can get away with anything--and that includes saying 5,000 to 10,000 at least, parent testimonies as to their children developing autism after vaccination can be completely ignored http://www.whale.to/a/anecdotes_h.html

All I can say to that is to read them http://www.whale.to/vaccine/media1.html http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mmr5.html

and anyone who thinks the medical boys are looking for the truth in this regard needs to look into medical history to be rudely awakened to the real truth, for example the Smallpox vaccine was responsible for 25,000 child deaths at the height of compulsory vaccination in 1880. Do you think anyone would be swallowing their vaccine autism lies if they knew that?

[ocd]

john

I have spent this weekend working in a house with 6 clients all with ASD the youngest of these clients is 40 the eldest 55.
None of them had the mmr vaccination, they are not the only ones. Please bear in mind that the Scope of the spectrum has increased to include Aspergers and ADHD.
I still do not believe the vaccination is the demon that everyone wants to blame. Techniques for recognising ASD have improved, when I was at school there was no ADHD but there were plenty of kids that would've come into that bracket nowdays.
I met a lady with Aspergers 2 years ago who wasn't diagnosed with ASD until she was in her 40's. This has happened alot, doctors now recognise ASD, when 20 years ago they didn't. Therefore the increase in ASD has to be put into perspective, the results are not accurate. Historically people slipped through the net through lack of knowledge, it is possible to be high functioning Aspergers and live a normal life and never be diagnosed with ASD.
I'm not proclaiming the vaccination to be 100% safe, but I do not believe it's the demon that people want to point the finger of blame at.

What I have said here comes from training and working specifically with ASD.

ocd

[john23]

the youngest of these clients is 40 the eldest 55.
None of them had the mmr vaccination, they are not the only ones..I'm not proclaiming the vaccination to be 100% safe, but I do not believe it's the demon that people want to point the finger of blame at.
What I have said here comes from training and working specifically with ASD.ocd

Older people will have missed MMR, don't think I ever had measles vax, came in in 1968 (I'm 53). The big problem is the mercury vaccines and then the increased vaccine load--10 in 1983, 36 in 2007 (USA). 'Vaccine' is just a fancy name for a collection of poisons. http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ingredients.html

there is no doubt autism has increased http://www.whale.to/v/autism4.html

It was virtually unheard of before mass DPT vaccination.

although I am sure there is something in what you say about the various labels.

there isn't any other real suspect.

vaccination is way more than the Demon you imagine it isn't. Smallpox vaccine killed millions directly http://www.whale.to/a/deathssmallpox.html and through disease spread such as smallpox, leprosy, syphilis and so on. Even as late as 1920 is was going about its demonic task with relish in the Phillipines http://www.whale.to/vaccines/smallpox7.html

Then the Diptheria vaccine was another textbook case of child slaughter http://www.whale.to/m/smallpox/disasters.html
For a disease of poverty http://www.whale.to/a/diptheria1.html like smallpox.

Bear in mind the fact they were completely ineffective and never saved one single life.

Then the DPT vaccine kickstarted autism and was the main cause of the 10,000 or so (USA 1984) cot deaths http://www.whale.to/vaccines/sids.html

And at this time an Australian MD had proven vitamin C would prevent all cot deaths, yet they were quite happy to ignore that fact and let the killings continue. medical politics--it would have destroyed vaccination and probably holed allopathy below the waterline.

Such is the ethics of the vaccine boys who say vaccination doesn't casue autism. Think about that.

Then we have polio vaccination, purely created to hide the fact of DDT poisoning. the man who headed up the March of Dimes polio charity use dto work for the DDT manufacturers. Most or all of the Iron lung victims were put there because of the vaccinators fad for removing tonsils. http://www.whale.to/v/polio2.htm

Jim West blew the whistle on that one http://www.whale.to/a/west_h.html he found Scobey and Biskin.

Also it was easily cured by chiropractic, natural hygiene, vitamin C, or by diet change, yet all were ignored to pump another very toxic vaccine into children for profit. In fact the diet discovery of Dr Sandler is still not used to this day, yet would protect anyone from viral attack, another life saving discovery that was too threatening to Allopathy Inc.

Don't let's forget the children sacrificed in the Cutter disaster:

"On June 23rd, 1955 the American Public Health Service announced that there had been 149 confirmed cases of poliomyelitis among the vaccinated, with six deaths, and 149 cases among the contacts of children given the Salk vaccine, with six deaths."

Look at nutrition and infection http://www.whale.to/a/nutrition.html
Or poisons http://www.whale.to/v/poisons.html

and we can see how toxic OPV is still now by the way it is being used to kill off African children, 600! at one count http://www.whale.to/a/genocide_opv.html

This quote gives some idea about what they have managed to get away with for 200 years:

"I have myself, through Natural Hygiene, over 16 years, treated all forms and hundreds of cases of typhus and typhoid fevers, pneumonia's, measles and dysentery's, and have not lost a single patient. The same is true of scarlet and other fevers. No medicine whatever was given."----Dr Trall, 1862.

[john23]

ps:

"I have never seen a SIDS death in a healthy breastfed baby, unvaccinated, who has slept on anything from here to Timbuctoo. Over the 19 years in IAS, we have never seen one."--Hilary Butler

It is pretty obvious to me vaccination is the main cause of cot death, but you can certainly lay the blame for all cot deaths at the door of the vaccine doctors---vaccinations, suppressing vitamin C, and promoting bottlefeeding. They pay lip service to breast but Allopathy Inc wants it, and you can see the mind set in the 1.5 million third world children that die as a result of companies like Nestle.

And shaken baby syndrome is a similar, now they balme the parents, sally clark's 2 kids died soon after vaccines. And they know, Meadows sat on the vaccine committee on vaccine reactions for years. He certainly knew.

the UK gov paid out for 900 brain damaged victims of DPT but they now say it never did that--they engineered a kangaroo court so they can say that with a straight face http://www.whale.to/vaccines/wain.html

To get an idea about these sociopaths masquerading as doctors you can see what the victims have to put up with http://www.whale.to/a/vaxvictims.html

another idication is the 80% vaccine damage law, where you have to be 80% damaged to get any compensation--some got rejected at 79%, no kidding.

Only 1 in 200 get compensated here, 1 in 4 in the USA, so we just ignore most claims, and bear in mind only about 3% of vaccine reactions get recorded. Only in the last year or so has Canada offered any at all.

And none in the third world, where they dump our withdrawn vaccines, like the last MMR.

Then you have the hep B vax, given to babies, when the risk people are sexually promiscous, and needle junkies, and blood transfusions.

"The total 24,775 VAERS hepatitis B reports from July 1990 to October 31, 1998 show 439 deaths and 9673 serious reactions involving emergency room visits, hospitalization, disablement or death. Therefore, more than one third of total reports were serious events. 17,497 of those total reports were for hepatitis B vaccine only, the remainder were vaccine cocktails where hepatitis B was administered along with DPT, HIB, IPV, OPV, etc."--Michael Belkin

and only 3% get reported. Do the maths. Just one vaccine, and they haven't even proven a virus is involved

"If you read the literature very carefully, you will find that, while there is a strong marker for the disease, there is no hard scientific evidence to support the existence of a hepatitis C virus. Clearly, a non-A, non-B hepatitis disease exists, but the science behind an associated virus is weak at best. As a scientist I am compelled to ask, how can we vaccinate people against a disease-causing agent that has not been fully characterized?" http://www.whale.to/a/hepatitis_tests_h.html

Yet they have a vaccine? They invented a hep C virus.

then childhood leukemia took off after they brough in the polio vaccine http://www.whale.to/vaccines/leukemia.html also MMR implicated http://www.whale.to/v/mmr10.html

They then pump your kid full of toxic chemo, while they suppress all of the good cures that don't give you cancer a few yaers later.

[Ian Pegler]

Please would someone drag this thread back on topic, i.e. Wi-Fi and electro-stress??!!

Ian

[Elaine]

I notice in the latest (November) WDDTY journal that the University of Essex is going to conduct a large study 'Do Tetra masts affect human health and wellbeing?' http://repository.essex.ac.uk/2796/
They are of course asking for volunteers.......don't know if it's paid....but if it is there will be students aplenty! ......Not my cup of tea..and I wonder if they will publish the results, whatever they are!!

[john23]

I notice in the latest (November) WDDTY journal that the University of Essex is going to conduct a large study 'Do Tetra masts affect human health and wellbeing?' http://www.essex.ac.uk/psychology/ehs
They are of course asking for volunteers.......don't know if it's paid....but if it is there will be students aplenty! ......Not my cup of tea..and I wonder if they will publish the results, whatever they are!!

We already know abot Tetra: Read Hyland http://www.whale.to/b/hyland_h.html and Trower http://www.whale.to/a/trower_h.html

so if they say it is safe then it was a stitch up.

Revealing on GSM http://www.starweave.com/gallery/ (link broken)


# Wi-Fi
* BECTA Wi-fi Report "Suppressed" http://www.mastsanity.org/index.php?opt ... Itemid=112 (link broken)

* PAT (The Professional Association of Teachers) Statement on Wifi http://www.pat.org.uk/index.cfm/page/_s ... /17/id/278 (link broken)

* Wi-fi & DECT web links http://www.mastsanity.org/index.php?opt ... &Itemid=49 (link broken)

[Elaine]

They....havn't said anything about it being safe or not safe.......it's a study to be done.

[john23]

They....havn't said anything about it being safe or not safe.......it's a study to be done.

Yes, I meant I was wondering if it was going to be a science by design study, where they create studies to 'prove' what they want. They have done this with MMR by the bucketload.

[Ian Pegler]

This article appeared fairly recently in the Daily Telegraph...

Alternative health capital turns its 'negative energy' on pioneering wi-fi system

It is regarded as an oasis of calm and tranquility, and the nation's capital for alternative health therapies and spiritual healing remedies.

But now the residents of Glastonbury, which has long been a favoured destination for pilgrims, are at the centre of a bitter row in which many blame the town's new wireless computer network - known as wi-fi - for a spate of health problems.

CLICK HERE to read the article.

or CLICK HERE for the campaign website (link broken)


Ian

[Grahame]

I'm not surprised about this - there's been a fair bit of discussion on other forums about the problems of wi-fi. I've certainly had a few clients myself where the problems have been directly attributable to either a wi-fi router in the bedroom, or DECT phones, which are just as bad.
I recently spent 3 nights in a B&B in Dublin where I was unable to get a wink of sleep, despite the bed being very comfortable. I discovered that my room was directly over the wi-fi router situated in reception. Now I didn't have my meter with me to check, but my dowsing certainly suggested that it was the wi-fi causing the problem.
I particularly liked the quote from Powerwatch:

Someone using a wi-fi laptop will be exposed to approximately twice the level of radiation as someone living 70 yards from a mobile phone mast.

Although that is probably taken out of context, as surely it will depend on signal strength and proximity to the router.

If you're thinking of getting wi-fi, it's also worth bearing in mind that BT routers are more powerful than others.

[BobD]

Besides the problem of "science by design", or as I call it, "corporate deduction", you also get the "make-it-to-the-door" toxicology model where the only effects noted are those that cause the most obvious, immediate, physically debilitating damage. I don't think anyone can prove a "safe" level for any alternating or pulsed electromagnetic energy at any but the lowest, Tesla/Schumann-resonant frequencies. My overview of this can be found at http://www.GeoPathfinder.com/9801.