CLICK HERE to read the article.A TUG-OF-WAR has broken out between officials at Glasgow and Carmarthen over which of the areas can truly call itself the home of legendary wizard Merlin.
Taken from wikipedia Full article hereMerlin is best known as the wizard featured in the Arthurian legend. The standard depiction of the character first appears in Geoffrey of Monmouth's Historia Regum Britanniae, written c. 1136, and is based on an amalgamation of previous historical and legendary figures. Geoffrey combined existing stories of Myrddin Wyllt (Merlinus Caledonensis), a North British madman with no connection to King Arthur, with tales of the Romano-British war leader Ambrosius Aurelianus to form the composite figure he called Merlin Ambrosius.
CLICK HERE to read the article.Merlin 'from Glasgow not Camelot'
Legendary wizard Merlin lived in the Partick area of Glasgow and not in Camelot, a new book has claimed.
CLICK HERE to read the article.Glaswegians scrape the barrel for famous people to honour
At a meeting of Glasgow City Council yesterday, a large barrel full of holes was brought out of a cupboard, and councillors began scraping at the bottom of its insides to try and find famous people connected with their city.
Would you trust an Oxford University Press publication any better, Ian?Ian Pegler wrote:I wouldn't trust Wikipedia as a source for this type of thing especially as this article has been rated as "Start-Class" or "B-class" on the discussion page.
from here (link broken)Lailoken
A Dictionary of Celtic Mythology | 2004 | JAMES MacKILLOP | Â© A Dictionary of Celtic Mythology 2004, originally published by Oxford University Press 2004.
Lailoken. Naked, hairy wild man of the woods who demonstrates prophetic powers at the court of Rhydderch Hael in Strathclyde, the 6th-century Welsh-speaking kingdom (emphasis added) of the Old North, i.e. the Scottish Lowlands. By critical consensus, much of the legend of Lailoken's life contributes to Geoffrey of Monmouth's conception of Merlin in the Vita Merlini (c.1149). In the 15th-century Scottish story known as â€˜Lailoken and Kentigernâ€™, the hairy wild man confesses to St Kentigern that he is the cause of the deaths of those who perished at the battle of Arfderydd (573/575). Myrddin (Merlin) is recorded as having gone mad after this defeat.
I have no problems with that at all.Would you trust an Oxford University Press publication any better, Ian?
(from The Arthur of the Welsh, University of Wales Press, 1991)We do not posseess a prose version of the Myrddin legend in Middle Welsh, but a general idea of its content may be deduced from a number of allusions found in half a dozen mediaeval poems. Combined with supplementary material from the Scottish and Irish versions of the tale these make possible a feasible reconstruction both of its main outline and probable development, though many details remain obscure. The poems are (1) Yr Afallenau ("The Apple-trees"); (2) Yr Oianau ("The Greetings"); (3) Ymddiddan Myrddin a Thaliesin ("The Dialogue of Myrddin and Taliesin"); (4) Cyfoesi Myrddin a Gwenddydd ei Chwaer ("The Conversation of Myrddin and his Sister Gwenddydd"); (5) Gwasgargerdd Fyrddin yn y Bedd ("The Diffused Song of Myrddin in the Grave"); and (6) Peirian Faban ('Commanding Youth'). Texts of the first three are found in the Black Book of Carmarthen, written c. 1250, and of the remaining three in manuscripts dating from the two succeeding centuries. All of the poems contain matter which is older, and in many cases considerably older, than the dates of the written texts. (my emphasis added)
CLICK HERE (link broken)Paul Flynn (Newport, West): I ask my right hon. Friend for a debate on early-day motion 1637.
[That this House welcomes the intention of film producer Steven Spielberg to create a television series recreating the life and battles of King Arthur, including British actors in the production; notes the success of the series 'Band of Brothers' filmed in England; recognises the historical and mythological connections of King
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Arthur with Somerset, the identification of Camelot with Cadbury Castle and of the Isle of Avalon with Glastonbury; believes the beautiful and unspoilt countryside of Somerset would therefore be an ideal location for filming such a series; and calls on the Department of Culture Media and Sport to do everything possible to attract the production to Britain and to support the rural economy.]
That contains the dastardly and preposterous suggestion that the court of King Arthur was located at a site other than Caerleon in the city of Newport. A thousand years ago, the Mabinogion and the writings of Geoffrey of Monmouth identified Caerleon as Camelot. That was confirmed by Tennyson, who wrote his Arthurian poems in Caerleon, and by the Loyal Knights of the Round Table, who funded the excavation of the round table in the village in 1928.
Now that Steven Spielberg is thinking of making a film about Arthur, is it not wrong and opportunist of certain other areas to claim that their towns were the site of Arthur's round table? Can we have a debate on the matter? Not only might the claim threaten an opportunity for further jobs and prosperity in the beautiful town of Newport, but it is a terrible attempt to steal part of Welsh history.
Mr. [Robin] Cook: Of course, many Scots scholars maintain that Arthur was a prince of Strathclyde, and the legends recount the way in which he defeated the Angles of Northumbria. I therefore conclude that the whole of Britain has a good claim to sharing in Arthur's legend, exploits and success.
I'd be happier if the debate wasn't influenced by ulterior motives such as the tourist dollar, or the desire to boost the local economy by bringing a famous film-maker to one's own patch.Revles wrote:Wherever he came from seems to make little difference to Tintagel in Cornwall where a good living is made by many selling items connected with him.....the trouble with historical figures, whether factual or mythological, is that the two so often get confused.I think thats great.It adds to the debate and a good debate keeps it all alive. I think I met a guy who thought he was Merlin on a recent trip to Tintagel and he is forever popping up in Glastonbury, another of my haunts.On a more serious note, he belongs to an era where Mystics were allowed for.there are, sadly, few about these days....genuine ones I mean.
(from HERE)*____ HE WAS WELSH, 2 Jun 2009
Mr. S. Felix
A poorly revised book. Arthur was Welsh as the name Arthur Pendragon insists. But Adam ardrey tells us that he was a scotish warlord? He then goes on to say that Merlin (Merddyn) lived in Scotland and died in Scotland,He even insists that Merlin is buried in Scotland.
He also says that he has Proff [sic] that his Surname Ardrey is linked with the legendery Arthur. He does not say where this proff [sic] comes from. Might i add that he had no prior knowledge when writing this book. He is not an historian just a person with a mad thesis.
This book is insulting to wales,her people and her history.
Cymru am byth!
Other authors such as R. J. Stewart wrote that Merlin prophesied way beyond his time, like a sort of Dark Age Nostradamus.Geoffrey Ashe, The Book of Prophecy wrote:Why compose this farrago, and what is more, why force it in as a digression? ...
So far as can be made out, most of the Prophecies are not prophecies at all. They are inventions by Geoffrey, and this complex exercise is a mystification.