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Re: Military use of Dowsing

Post by Ian Pegler » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:00 pm

Grahame Gardner wrote:Just found this article in The Spectator about Nazi Germany's use of pendulum dowsers during WW2 to locate naval convoys and other stuff...

Did Hitler's Obsession with the Occult cost him the War?
But our side used dowsing too - and it didn't cost us the war...

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Re: Military use of Dowsing

Post by plazak » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:08 pm

To add to the 2006 article in Dowsing Today about Lt. Hawkins dowsing in Gallipoli, it should be noted that the most famous dowser in the Gallipoli campaign was undoubtedly Sapper Stephen Kelley, a water engineer from Melbourne. Kelley was born in Kent, but emigrated as a child. His dowsing, before he was wounded and evacuated, was mentioned in newspaper and magazine articles (for example, the Guardian, 4 July 1916, page 3, and the Spectator, 2 Sept. 1916 p263). He was even mentioned twice in Parliament (19 Nov. 1917 p.202 and 5 Dec. 1917 p.407), when MPs asked why he was not returned to the front for more dowsing.

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Re: Military use of Dowsing

Post by Ian Pegler » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:52 pm

plazak wrote:To add to the 2006 article in Dowsing Today about Lt. Hawkins dowsing in Gallipoli, it should be noted that the most famous dowser in the Gallipoli campaign was undoubtedly Sapper Stephen Kelley, a water engineer from Melbourne. Kelley was born in Kent, but emigrated as a child. His dowsing, before he was wounded and evacuated, was mentioned in newspaper and magazine articles (for example, the Guardian, 4 July 1916, page 3, and the Spectator, 2 Sept. 1916 p263). He was even mentioned twice in Parliament (19 Nov. 1917 p.202 and 5 Dec. 1917 p.407), when MPs asked why he was not returned to the front for more dowsing.
Wow, that's fantastic research. Thanks for sharing. :shock:

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Re: Military use of Dowsing

Post by Helen-Healing » Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:28 am

Excellent research indeed! Although I'm surprised that the Spectator had as many as 263 pages!

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Re: Military use of Dowsing

Post by plazak » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:13 am

I don’t believe it’s been discussed here yet, but British military dowsing goes back at least to 1897, during the Sudan campaign, when Kitchener marked two spots on a map as locations for water wells along his march south through the desert, and sent dowser Edward Cator to confirm that the locations were suitable. Cator reported back that there was water at both locations, which was confirmed by wells. [Dominic Green, Three Empires on the Nile (London: Free Press, 2007) 250.] Kitchener himself had a reputation for being a water-dowser. [A. J. Smithers, The Fighting Nation (London: Cooper, 1994) 17.] During his time at Woolwich, dowsing was routinely taught. [Philip Warner, Kitchener: the Man Behind the Legend (New York: Athenum, 1986) 77-78.]

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Re: Military use of Dowsing

Post by Grahame » Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:00 pm

plazak wrote:To add to the 2006 article in Dowsing Today about Lt. Hawkins dowsing in Gallipoli, it should be noted that the most famous dowser in the Gallipoli campaign was undoubtedly Sapper Stephen Kelley
I just came across this blog post about Sapper Stephen Kelley. Fascinating stuff - over 32 wells producing 100,000 gallons per day in an area where nobody else had managed to find water.
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Re: Military use of Dowsing

Post by Grahame » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:34 am

I found this interesting 25-minute video interview with Paul H Smith, talking about US military remote viewing and dowsing. He mentions Louis Matacia teaching the Marines to dowse in Vietnam, how dowsing and remote viewing complement each other, and how he became head of a chapter of the ASD.

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Re: Military use of Dowsing

Post by Migrant » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:42 am

Remote viewing implies that the consciousness travels away from the body.
If the consciousness was derived from the body, how is it able to separate itself from the body?
If the body was derived from the consciousness, it would be reasonable to think that the consciousness could act independently.
Within the illusion of solid matter, which dominates our intellectual landscape, it is difficult to think that insubstantial consciousness can create solid matter.
With that illusion dispelled, or at least understood, the difficulty is diminished.

Often regarded as the father of quantum science, Max Plank once said that he had come to regard matter as derivative of consciousness.

It seems to me that we live our lives either assuming that matter comes from consciousness, or, (more likely), the other way round.
Surely this will have a fundamental effect on the lives we lead?

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Re: Military use of Dowsing

Post by Migrant » Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:40 pm

Sorry Max, that's Planck.

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Re: Military use of Dowsing

Post by mike » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:35 pm

Really interesting link Paul H Smith on remote viewing and dowsing, and I think I send my soul when I look at very distant places like stars and anything away from planet Earth,still part of me but not held back by left brain thoughts, and the reply is instant with no restraints at all in my opinion.And the more you try the more normal it seems to me,not really magic just the ability to open your mind to allow it to grow and explore.

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