Some beginner's questions

[shaunb]

Hello my name is Shaun, I live in the Vale of Clwyd, north Wales and to cut a long storu short have been following the paths of Ley lines using dowsing rods for several years now.
I have traced them through churches, standing stones past ancient trees and other such unmarked convergences.
Questions for discussion:
1.Has anyone ever experienced the deviation of lines when they cross another line( usually at one of the previously mentioned ancient markers). The deviation is only a few degrees but measurable.
2. Has anyone experienced the width of lines narrowing towards line conergences and what happens at the convergence point, to me a spiral / swirling of energy.
3. Has anyone ever done any three dimensional dowsing. I have dowsed the line that runs through my house on three floors and it seems to shift about one foot to the east every level up.
4. Has anyone dowsed a living object. I detect the same response with my rods over living objects, stronger in people and animals. I even detected a previous stroke in one lady that had occured several years earlier producing a response in only one rod corresponding to the complete paralysis she experienced down one side of her body.

forgive me I'm new to this.
best wishes
shaun

[Grahame]

Hi Shaun, and welcome to the forum. You are certainly in the right place to ask questions, however I've split your post from the 'Introduce Yourself' thread just to make things clearer.

1.Has anyone ever experienced the deviation of lines when they cross another line

Yes, this is not uncommon.

2. Has anyone experienced the width of lines narrowing towards line convergences and what happens at the convergence point, to me a spiral / swirling of energy.

This is also common, not just with straight leys, also with serpentine lines. Usually one or both of the lines either emerges or disappears from the ground, and often a vortex is present. You should read Hamish Miller & Paul Broadhurst's The Sun & The Serpent (available from the BSD shop) for a better understanding of these node points.

3. Has anyone ever done any three dimensional dowsing. I have dowsed the line that runs through my house on three floors and it seems to shift about one foot to the east every level up.

There's a minor semantic point here - we are all doing three dimensional dowsing. We just have to remember that. It is quite easy to picture everything as 2D because the dowsing tool mainly operates in one plane. But yes, again not uncommon for lines to shift vertically. This is particularly common with the Hartmann & Curry grid lines.

4. Has anyone dowsed a living object. I detect the same response with my rods over living objects

Yes of course, many dowsers work in the health and complementary medicine fields and do this all the time.

Hope that helps a bit - there is plenty of information on the main website that should help with your questions, and of course the best way to enhance your knowledge is to join the BSD, attend one of our training courses, and try and find a local group near you where you can meet with other dowsers.

[arthur hamlin]

Hi Shaun,
Good info as usual from Grahame.
Don`t forget one can advance so as not to eventually need dowsing tools for such things as colour healing when spread out before you is a sheet of 600/700 colours as sample cards from the dulux range of paints. Here is where your finger can point to the exact colour in seconds. As the patient gets better a lighter colour will be chosen.
Or if you can get into automatic drawing or photos say with orbs present these can be shown on any of the forum sites using Image Shack - a facilitator for this purpose.
Regretfully I am still having a job to get one of mine posted but will persist until successful.
Still wondering why more dowsers do not choose to obtain this facility which admittedly takes time but is well worth it.
Have you asked questions about the origins of the ley or energy lines your finding?
Good luck,
Arthur

[shaunb]

Have you asked questions about the origins of the ley or energy lines your finding?
Good luck,
Arthur

Hello Arthur,
many thanks for taking the time to reply, I must admit after reading some of the other threads I'm feeling a bit out of my depth.
To get to your point Have you asked questions about the origins of the ley or energy lines your finding?
No, I've never asked any questions when I'm dowsing, I've always kept an open mind and thought about nothing in particular. This I've stuck to which I think ensures a continuity of what I'm detecting, does this sound reasonable?
How could one phrase a Yes/No question about the origin or age of a Ley Line, have you had experience of this.
I do recall actually asking the line that runs through my house whether it was good or bad for our health and the answer was good.

As for the other stuff you mentioned with regard colour etc, I need to do more reading I suspect.

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[shaunb]

You should read Hamish Miller & Paul Broadhurst's The Sun & The Serpent (available from the BSD shop) for a better understanding of these node points.

Dear Grahame,
many thanks for you swift and concise response. I can see theres a lot more reading I need to do to begin to explore this fascinating subject more effectively. I have got the Sun and the Serpent, and will endeavour to find the time to sit and read it.
best wishes
shaun

[arthur hamlin]

Hello Shaun,
I like many have felt out of our depths by reading/seeing others abilities, but most of us have persevered and have gone up the rung of the ladder a bit.
Don`t worry, if you are interested and dowse when and where it feels right and do it regularly you will soon have people asking you for help.
Many of us believe it best not to ask questions while were dowsing as it may well cause an inacurate response. Many find it best to ask before we get into dowsing mode so to speak. Of course you can dowse without asking any questions at all just to see if the pendulums/rods can move. This is probably more desirable by walking over an area of ground. Than you can put pegs or markers in the ground when a response is obtained. You can test out this response of course by walking over the same piece of ground another day to see if the responses correspond. You than may get tired of this and start to wonder why are the rods doing this.
As you say keeping an open mind is part of the recipe and if you wish to think of nothing than may be nothing will be found as a response.
When you do start to question it is at this point your foot is beginning to raise up to get to the first rung of the ladder so to speak.
Yes many times I have been inquisitive and asked about the origin and age of an energy line. It is good to have lots of empty space without too many people coming up to ask `what are you doing`to embarass you and to affect your emotions and dowsing response!. It is also useful to have several ancient sites within a short distance away to get your teeth into so to speak.
If you are only using dowsing rods and wish to get a yes or no answer you could try placing an object on the ground with an imaginary `yes` written on it and likewise another object with an imaginary `no` written on it a couple of meters further on. When you have asked your question than with rods at the ready slowly walk to the first object to obtain a response and than to the second object to see if the response is different. Try this several times, as this makes a more visible and tangible means to get a response of a `yes or`no`.
Of course you may know a lot of this already to which I apologise but there could be others looking in and are at a similar stage to you which could be helpful for them.
As you have asked about the line running through your house being beneficial, you could define by asking if this is beneficial for our Muscular System, Skeletal System, Nervous System, Lymphatic System, Digestive System, Respiratory System, etc etc. All this helps to build up confidence and ability.
Sorry if this is too long an answer but felt I could help further.
Good luck,
Arthur

[Rory]

I have dowsed the line that runs through my house on three floors and it seems to shift about one foot to the east every level up.

HI Shaun
Loving hearing about your work. Have too many questions for you too. One I would be interested in is around your above comment. I have not yet got round to looking at this vertical differential and still mean to do some work on it. In the meantime, can I ask if your observations is the same throughout the day or does the angle, a 1 foot shift to the east, change every 6-12 hours?
Great to hear back from you and all the best with your dowsing
Regards
Rory

[Grahame]

I have dowsed the line that runs through my house on three floors and it seems to shift about one foot to the east every level up.

I wanted to add a little bit more about this to flesh out my earlier response, but I haven't had time to track down a reference to it yet. I have experienced this phenomenon as well, dowsing in a 3-storey house. Some lines radiate upwards from ground level at an angle, so dowsing them on separate floors will exhibit what appears as a lateral displacement.
In the case of the 3-storey house I mentioned, there was another energy line that seemed to disappear on the ground floor as it passed through the chimney breast, but it continued in the same direction on the floor above.

[shaunb]

Hello Shaun,
I like many have felt out of our depths by reading/seeing others abilities, but most of us have persevered and have gone up the rung of the ladder a bit.
Don`t worry, if you are interested and dowse when and where it feels right and do it regularly you will soon have people asking you for help.

Hello Arthur,
I'm absolutely delighted you have taken the time to respond. You have rekindled my desire to continue to investigate. To be honest I had thought I was completely out of my depth and it had all been done before. Your correspondence has given me a new path to follow, and to investigate another level of dowsing, thank you.
I will try what you have suggested, particularly with regard the line that runs through my house upon which I sit as I write this. This particular line runs through the village of Llanynys in the Vale of Clwyd, it passes through my house and through the church, St. Searan, 5th C. at the heart of the Vale it connects the towns of Rhyl, St Asaph, Llanynys(village), Ruthin, Llangollen and beyond and appears to point at Stonehenge?????? I became concerned about it because my son suffered with a brain tumor at 20 months and has since recovered completely, have you heard of Krebs houses? A local respected dowser did a remote sensing on the house and advised me the line had healing properties and not the cause of my sons illness.
I will try asking further questions of the line as you suggest. Many thanks for your guidance. Talk again soon.
Shaun

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[Grahame]

can I ask if your observations is the same throughout the day or does the angle, a 1 foot shift to the east, change every 6-12 hours?

Hello Rory,
Please ask questions, I'm on a very steep learning curve here on this site so need to talk lots about this.
I havn't tried dowsing at different times of the day, didn't even occur to me actually, but I'll give it a go. All I can say is that, apart from my work in the counties of Denbighshire and Shropshire, I've randomly dowsed in the garden and house, no set time and the result has always been the same. EXCEPT that is for one occasion which I couldn't account for when I was trying to convince friends in the back garden of the presence of the line and I came across another line parralell to the original, I didn't know what was going on, it was in the evening during a bbq, it was a summers evening and I'd had a few drinks and so didn't pursue it.
But I'll do as you suggest and try at differnt times.
Thanks Rory, I'll be in touch, best wishes, Shaun

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[Grahame]

Some lines radiate upwards from ground level at an angle, so dowsing them on separate floors will exhibit what appears as a lateral displacement.

Dear Grahame,
I'm intrigued about this particular phenomenon (dowsing a line on several floors of a buidling)because it seems to go against the grain of the so called 'Bishops Theory' as employed by engineers tracing undergroud services etc. That being the service is x cm below the surface, x being equal to half the width of the ley line. I'm not sure what the Bishop Rule represents in a scientific sense, although by moving up a floor or two would suggest the ground is irrelevant. Has anyone ever dowsed a line at a single point vertically? I have it in mind to find a very large building and dowse every floor, has this been done?
best wishes, shaun

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[Grahame]

the service is x cm below the surface, x being equal to half the width of the ley line

Right, I think I can see where you are experiencing some confusion here. the 'Bishop's RULE' is a technique mainly used for depthing underground water, although I see no reason why it can't be applied to pipes and services as well. The actual definition is that the distance underground = the distance you walk away from the centre line. To my mind, it's a mental construct and doesn't really have any objective scientific validity. Importantly, it is not applied to 'ley lines' or other energy lines, and you seem to be exhibiting some confusion between your responses from underground water, and responses from energy lines. You need to find a way to distinguish the two reactions. Many dowsers will 'program' their rods to cross for water and to open out for leys, which can work well. Or you just need to be very focussed on which of the two you are searching for at any one time.
Radiation from water lines does propagate vertically and can be easily dowsed in multi-storey buildings, even from aircraft. Energy lines, as I said, can be at an angle.
You mentioned in your reply to Rory that you had found another line parallel to the first. This sounds very much like an earth grid to me - check the spacing and alignment of the lines and see if you can find ones crossing at right angles.

[arthur hamlin]

Hello Shaun,
You are now having a good run for your money with all our replies/responses.
I usually find that if an energy passes through a church especially the many round towers of churches here in East Anglia it is of man made origin, usually for water gatherers to take back water to their settlement. My dowsing says that the St Searan Church has just that energy with all the places you`ve mentioned on it which that line connects.
My dowsing says that the energy going through that church is approx 105,000 years old.
The oldest man made energy I`ve found going through a tower of a church with the help of a lady vicar who could dowse was at Yaxham (near Dereham) being just short of 2,000,000 years old. Further dowsing revealed that hairy ape like people used that track etc etc.
Even if figures such as these have no meaning for you now, you may find eventually they have and is good practise if nothing else.
It is also good to record what you get than compare later to see if there are any changes.
In the case of the 3 storeyed building you could ask your source when at that level `is this energy line truly vertical to the horizontal . If not just ask what degree it is out of the vertical.
Once you can establish that, finding out why will be another part of the puzzle possibly solved.
Now as long as you don`t dream about dowsing rods whizzing about in your hand at night you will stay sane, at least I think so!.
Arthur.

[Ian Pegler]

This particular line runs through the village of Llanynys in the Vale of Clwyd, it passes through my house and through the church, St. Searan, 5th C. at the heart of the Vale it connects the towns of Rhyl, St Asaph, Llanynys(village), Ruthin, Llangollen and beyond and appears to point at Stonehenge??????

Hi shaunb

I will contact you privately about similar findings of mine, I would like to compare notes!

Ian

[shaunb]

Hello Shaun,
My dowsing says that the energy going through that church is approx 105,000 years old.
Arthur.

Hello Arthur, now you have really grabbed my attention. Are you able and willing to divulge how you came about this figure of 105,000 years. I suspect this converstaion may be getting tedious for you considering I'm such a novice and will fully understand if you don't bother to reply.
How can you come to a figure of 105,000 years with simple YES or NO responses from the dowsing rods?

The only additional thing I can tell you about the line is that it appears to point directly at St Asaph Cathedral thereby linkiing the church of Llanynys and the Cathedral, these being the two centres of Christianity in north Wales, established in the 5thC. and clearly built on previously strong pre-christian sites.

best wishes
shaun