Dowsing with Affection – an interview with Terry Ross

This article first appeared in the Spring 2000 Edition of the ASD Quarterly Digest and is reprinted with their kind permission

ASD:    Terry, could you describe an incident or event that demonstrates the interconnectedness of all living things?

TER:    Certainly.  I think that any dowsing intent to heal, especially at a distance, involves (a) a connection with the creative source itself and (b) a connection with the person or animal that you have been asked to heal.  Perhaps the strongest evidence of this is that some healing requests are for people who are in ICU and unconscious, yet there is a physical reaction there that is verifiable by the results.  Secondly, animals are not supposed to talk with you, especially at a distance.  Yet, the cat in California gets well.  The cat in the south of England recovers.  And the stallion with the shin bone exposed and bleeding is returned to the show ring in a matter of days.  All of that has ‘to be the work of interfacing with the creative source.  How do you get there?  By affection with it.  The corollary is that you assume that the universe is a thought.  A big thought.  We’re little thoughts.  And therefore, we can relate to the big thought as our modus operandi, as the cause of our being.

ASD:    Michael Talbot, in his book, The Holographic Universe, refers to the contention of the Kalahari Bushmen that, “…the dream is dreaming itself  “

TER:    That’s right.  It should be the quest of all of us dowsers to make that dream come true.  Follow the quest and get results.  Then we demonstrate  it, not necessarily to the world, but to ourselves.  It would probably be wise not to concentrate too much on what the world has to think about us.  We can concentrate on ourselves and the person who asks for help.  The corollary to this is that I have over forty-one hundred log cases of so-called healing requests.  Not one of those did I ask for.  They all just came.

ASD:    When in your life did you first discover that your consciousness could be used beyond the confines of your body?

TER:    When I was eleven years old my father wanted to build a second home in northern Vermont.  He had called a much-respected local farmer to find water with a forked stick.  When the farmer, Mr. Allen, had finished his dowsing he said, “There’s enough water there, Mr. Ross.  It’s of a good quality and will last.” After the grown-ups had left, I picked up the stick myself and it worked for me!  So you notice that when Mr. Allen spoke with my father he was locating, predicting and qualifying, all things that we dowsers do today.

ASD:    In the childhood years that followed, did you continue dowsing?

TER:    Well, summer vacation came along and, of course, I had a fascination  with dowsing.  I knew that nothing like this was taught in Science 101 in my school, but I also knew it was important.  Fortunately my parents let me experiment and I soon began to find water for people.  That led to other things.  For instance, a crisis occurred and I got a call from over the other side of the Green Mountains, near Burlington, Vermont and, for some reason I seemed to know what the answer was over the phone.  You see, a school teacher was without water.  She also rented out rooms, so she needed water right away.  I suggested a French man who was pretty good and lived over her way, but she said, “No, my yard is already full of holes, all dry.” So I told her – and all this just seemed to come to me without any effort – she should measure out from the East wall of her house fifteen feet, then go down seventeen feet with a posthole digger and she should have her brother come over from the farm to do the work.  I told her she would get water.  It would be hard water, but at least she would have water for washing and flushing.  All of this turned out to be true.

ASD:    Was this the first direct intuition that you recall?  Did this knowing continue throughout your childhood?

TER:    I would say that as you get interested in these things there are seminal incidences that keep occurring along the path, especially where dowsers are concerned.  That one was quite novel for me, though, over the phone.

ASD:    How did you develop a mindset at such an early age that would enable you to freely offer intuitively derived information with confidence?  TER: Well, I mentioned it to my parents and I was very fortunate that they let me go my own way.  And let us not forget practice.  Summer vacations in northern Vermont were invaluable for this.  I can remember roaming through the woods dowsing out water holes.  I would dig them out and they would fill with cold water.  I liked to think the deer would come by later and enjoy them.  So there was a lot of time to practice.  I took it bit by bit and none of it seemed strange.  It just happened.  Part of growing up.

ASD:    As you worked on your dowsing and intuitive skills over the years, were there any disciplines or teaching methods that helped to advance your talents?

TER:    I really had very little because there wasn’t much to read on these subjects back then.  What I did read I often didn’t agree with.  Instead, I would do my dowsing, dig out my targets and see if they filled with water.  However, I often wonder if we don’t have teachers both known and unknown.

ASD:    How did you first learn to cooperate with nature to accomplish feats like moving underground water veins or improving health patterns in living beings?

TER: By that time I was fairly active in the American Society of Dowsers.  We learned about moving water veins when we met a man who was under contract to the State of Vermont whose job it was to move water veins found under the dirt roads.  In those days, whenever there was a spring under the road it would tend to freeze and heave.  This gentleman came to Danville to tell us about his method.  When asked where he had learned to do this, he said he had read it in a book about Zulu medicine men.  Well, years later I met some Zulus and they said, “Oh yes.  Our people know all about water and moving it under the ground&.” Of course, it wasn’t very long before we were all trying to do what this man was doing.  His method was to dig a hole, put a bar in it and tap the bar in the direction he wanted the vein to move.  This evidently satisfied him that a sonic wave was accomplishing the diversion.  In Danville, we found that none of that was necessary and that we could do it by thinking about it.

ASD:    Could you please tell us just how you think about it?

TER:    Well, if you accept that we are interconnected, we are interconnected with the water too.

ASD:    So do you approach it like a friend?

TER:    Oh yes, we’re all friends with nature.  So you think about it like your friend, but I would take it a step further and say this friend is part of your body, so to speak.  You don’t think about wiggling your little finger, but you can do it when you want to.  All of nature is an extension of you.  If nature wants you to do it – and that’s the big if – you can do things that are helpful in the overall scheme of things.  Out of this I developed a little ritual, and some of us still use it.  I always use it.  The ritual consists of three little questions, the first of which is , “May I?” This tells me if its OK with the powers that be, in other words, with Nature.  The second question is, “Should I?” Is this the right time?  And, finally I ask, “Can I?” Am I up to it?  If I don’t get a yes-yes-yes to these questions, I won’t do it.  These questions are so helpful.  Some people say it doesn’t matter if you ask these questions, but in so-called healing work it will save you a lot of embarrassment if you use this as momentary checklist before you dive in.  You wouldn’t want a pilot taking off before checking his instruments.

ASD: Do you feel that it is helpful for the person you are working for to have what some call, “…a willing suspension of disbelief,” to remove possible resistance to your efforts on their behalf?

TER:  No, that’s not necessary.  You’re dealing with them on a higher level.  First, you must have a request, a bona fide request.  Otherwise there is no circuit of giving and getting.  In some circumstances you can take what I call constructive permission.  For example, if somebody’s daughter is in the hospital, unconscious, or having an eight hour operation, they don’t know what’s going on.  But you take permission from the parent and you do your best.  Some of those are quite beautiful.  You’re dealing with a clearly defined non-physical part of the body, and you feel privileged to do it.

ASD:    Privileged.  That’s an excellent way to think about it.  Do you feel that you grow, personally, from each request you fulfill?

TER:    I don’t understand about those things.  Like I say, all these things just happen, and they will happen to anyone who really puts themselves in the way of it.

ASD: I recall standing on the Danville Green with you and a group of students, and one gentleman was asking if you could do anything about noxious energy lines which he felt were present in his home in Florida. You didn’t hesitate.  You asked your three permissions, then said, “OK, I’m at your front door May  I go in?  Next, you said, “Inside the front door is a wall and a hallway.  I have to go right or left.  ” The man said to go right and you did.  You said, “OK, now I’m in the living room.” Ultimately you helped him to remove his noxious energies.  My question is this, can you describe physically how you are receiving these pictures. Do they appear on a viewing screen in your mind?” Are they a continuous flow like a live TV transmission?  Please shed some light on this.

TER:  There is a knowing which doesn’t involve visualization.  I think that the visualization that people strive for actually gets in their way.  Visualization is probably a lower level of contact then the “knowing” part.  If the knowing part is accurate for you, what you need in the way of measurements comes to you immediately.  There certainly is no trouble in the distant location of water.  The exact location – so many feet from the southeast corner of the house, so many feet down, so many gallons per minute, seasonality, water pressure – all of these things seem to come to you.  When you need numbers, you get them as fast as you can write them down.  I think “need” is the operative word here.  As for the numbers, they come to you in a knowing.  Sometimes you can do it too fast, but generally speaking the range is pretty good, pretty accurate.

ASD:    Can you take us through the steps of a specific job, including how the knowing came in response to your quest?

TER:  Certainly.  A request came from a dog-lover in Michigan.  She lived in Sandy Oak country.  We talked for over 45 minutes about her dog and the fact that the vet wanted to put him down because he was bleeding from the skin.  It was clear that she loved the dog and that set the stage for an easy back-and-forth.  You see, when love enters in, affection enters in too and everything becomes easier.  I kept asking about the property and the other dogs she had in the house.  All of a sudden – and this is a case where visualization follows the knowing – I knew there was some kind of fracas in the past between Indians on that land.  I asked her if this had been Indian country and she said it was.  I told her that several hundred years ago there had been a battle there, and there were many grievously wounded people and animals involved.  It was quite a violent scene.  Also, as is often found at such sites, there was a conflux of a number of water veins.  There were three in one place, seven in another place and so on.  And these lines apparently enabled the “re-enactors” to continue to dwell there, even for hundreds of years because there is no time on the their side.

At this point it became a project of how to engage a large group of people who were involved in violent work.  It was not something I particularly wanted to do on an individual basis, so I simply turned it over to the powers that be.  I said, that if this was the correct thing to do and that these people were unnecessarily involved in violence and mayhem for hundreds of years, would you please be so kind as to take them to those planes whence they may go forward under the divine plan.  And would you give them some measure of purpose and peace.  Would you also alter this complexes of water veins that seem to support this activity so that they don’t attract more spirits in the time to come.  And finally, would you relieve the whole place of the tension which, in turn, is causing this little dog to bleed so inordinately.  It takes a very strong biosystem to resist the force of such violent activity going on all around you.

Well, the long and short of it was that the little dog’s blood began to congeal within a day.  At the end of three days, to the astonishment of the vet, the dog was fine.  Even more fabulous, there was a neighboring house where a Hollywood psychic would retire from time to time for R & R. There were two ailing horses in her stables which were also healed, although they were some distance from the house I was working on.  This would tend to bear our the extent of the melee that I had seen.  The Hollywood psychic was so pleased that later she called me to thank me, and without asking gave me a personal reading that, I must say, was deadly accurate!

ASD:    That’s fascinating.  Would you say that psychics tend to work strictly on the astral plane?

TER:    Of course there are levels of being in all of this.  The Kaballah has all of this right.  It said there are four outpourings from the Creator’s mind and, though we are a product of all four, we are really aware of maybe one or two of them.  But to do what the Hollywood psychic did, which was to reach into my mind, I would have to say she was fairly well up the totem pole.

ASD:    Do you feel comfortable that the four levels, as referenced in the Caballah, is the maximum number of levels of consciousness?

TER:    We found four in the early going in Danville, and we wrote about them.  I didn’t know then that the Kaballah said there were four and I didn’t know that researchers from the East reported about the four.  You have to realize that there are many levels, many gradations within the four.  You can equate it with light, and the higher you go it becomes way beyond our spectrum.  I think that the pure white light that near-death people see is fairly well up.  They roughly equate with the physical, the emotional, the mental and the so-called spiritual planes.  Each of those words covers a multitude of considerations.

If you would look at the universe and try to parse it, the ancients were apparently satisfied to do it that way and I guess I am too.  The good book has a phrase I like, “Be ye doers of the word.” The word comes easy, but manifesting is something else.  This is what we’ve all got to do until a critical mass is reached and there is change thereby.  Well, that’s a long way off, but as it says by the roadside, every litter bit counts.

ASD:    Yes, so long as we remember to recycle, that is.  How about a final question for the membership.  In relation to the times in which we are living, what is one challenge you would give the dowsers who are reading these words?

TER:    We could answer that so many ways.  To me, I always thought that the ASD had a sacred trust.  And, in view of the conflicting forces that are hitting the earth and humanity, I guess I would have to say to you that you, too, have a sacred trust.  Work on it.  The word sanctity comes to mind.  Dowsing in its best sense is pure sanctity.  You’re in touch with the creative force.  Realize that you, personally, are a creature of the creative force.  Be affectionate with it.  How’s that?

ASD:    That says it all, and very nicely too. 

© 2000 T. E. Ross & BSD EEG