Nanteos Cup - the Welsh Holy Grail

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from Malvern Gazette...
The Nanteos cup deteriorated greatly over the years and is no longer at the mansion, as it went with the last member of the Powell family when they moved out of Nanteos in the 1950s.
More rubbish - the last of the Powells died at Nanteos in 1951.

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from several news reports
blue velvet bag
I have been told on good authority that the velvet bag is in fact GREEN not blue.

So the Crimewatch Appeal page is correct and most of the news reports are wrong!

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Ian Pegler wrote:The term ["Commissioner"] refers to the members of the board, not any special individual, and in any case Douglas Hague's job title until the day he retired was "Investigator". I went down to the
RCAHMW and asked - I was told that he was never on the board.
A list of the RCAHMW Commissioners for the years 1974-80 is given HERE [An Inventory of the Ancient Monuments in Glamorgan ..., Volume 2; Volume 4, page xxiii]

Douglas B Hague is not among them - he is listed on the next page under "Investigators".

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He concluded it was made from Wych Elm wood, typical of a medieval bowl and was actually at least 500-years-old, making it at least 1,400 years after the crucifixion.
Also rubbish.

There is a statement in Hague's report that it is late mediaeval, but this is nothing more than antiquarian opinion.

It was the biologists (whoever they were) who said it was wych elm, not Hague.

Besides of which, where is the science report? No documentation, no science! I have spent ages looking for it - I can't find anything. The content of Hague's report (NLW ex 720) in no way qualifies.

If you find it, e-mail me immediately please.

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Latest developments... police find a salad bowl...
Twelve police and a dog raided quiet village pub in hunt for missing relic thought to be the Holy Grail... but all they found was a wooden salad bowl
CLICK HERE to read the story.

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Reuters have now picked up on the story CLICK HERE

A brief quote:
Reuters wrote:Scientists who have examined the cup have said it almost certainly dates from many centuries after the crucifixion, and is not made of the olive wood that might have been expected for a Middle Eastern drinking vessel.
Douglas B Hague was a surveyor and architect by training, he was not a qualified scientist.

Who were the mysterious scientists who examined the Nanteos Cup? NAME ONE.

In the only report we have, Hague refused to name a single one of them.

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There's a clear shot of the velvet bag in this video clip - and it's GREEN not blue as widely reported.

CLICK HERE for the video.

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Nanteos mansion will be featured in the new series of Forbidden History on the Yesterday Channel
on November 12th at 9pm (and repeated several times thereafter I dare say).

http://yesterday.uktv.co.uk/shows/forbidden-history/

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Another internet error... from HERE
For the less mystically inclined, the famed “Nanteos Cup” has been carbon-dated to the fourteenth century.
The Nanteos Cup has never been Radio carbon-dated. All Chinese whispers.

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The Forbidden History programme is on tonight (see previous post) 9pm.

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I saw the Forbidden History programme via the "on demand" on the website. The section on the Nanteos Cup is, sadly riddled with errors and not worth pursuing.

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Some great photos of the Nanteos Cup I just found on Flickr, taken at Nanteos Mansion.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dolgellau ... otostream/

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Recent episode of Forbidden History, featuring the Nanteos Cup.

http://youtu.be/HS_laZiRghI?t=16m44s

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Ian Pegler wrote:Recent episode of Forbidden History, featuring the Nanteos Cup.

http://youtu.be/HS_laZiRghI?t=16m44s

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Just noticed at 20:47 that they show a book which is actually a reproduction of the "Grail Diary" from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade :oops: . You can see a few moments earlier that a photograph of the Cup is pasted onto the right-hand page. At the top left is a reference to Marcus Brodie, a character from the movie. At 18:03 they talk about some "Thomas Steadman" but they actually show a portrait of W.T.R. Powell who lived in the 19th Century.

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Debra Kelly on ListVerse:
The cup has been dated to the medieval era, but that certainly hasn’t stopped the legends.
Dated when? Dated how? Dated by whom? Where are the specifics?

As far as I know, the only known dating of the Nanteos Cup has come in the form of opinion from various
antiquarians and historians, and what is this opinion based on?
Regardless of what experts have said about dating the vessel, belief is still a very, very powerful thing.
To date, all I've seen in the various reports and commentaries are bland, sweeping statements concerning
anonymous "experts" conducting unspecified "dating" methods on the Nanteos Cup, and the only thing I've ever found
about this is a report by an "expert" which basically adds nothing at all to my knowledge except the possibility
that the Cup may be made of wych elm (see previous post) based on nothing more than a subjective visual examination.

But believing in this notion of "experts have spoken" with zero knowledge of the specifics is a supreme act of faith.

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