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If Jimmy Wales wants a citation I've got one for him...
Naturwissenschaften
May 1996, Volume 83, Issue 5, pp 232-235
The dowsing data defy Enright's unfavorable verdict
S. Ertel
I actually came across this on an old version of the Wikipedia Dowsing page, but it was subsequently removed. It relates to the
scientific work of Prof Hans Dieter Betz and served to defend Betz's work
against the rebuttal written by J. Enwright (a CSICOP regular who printed his rebuttal in the Skeptical Enquirer)

I haven't read this yet, but why was it removed? Naturwissenschaften not respectable enough for you, Jimmy? Perhaps you could tell THEM why..?

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Another citation for you, Mr. Wales.
V. C. Reddish (1998). Dowsing physics: interferometry. Transactions of the Royal Society of Edinburgh: Earth Sciences, 89, pp 1-9. doi:10.1017/S0263593300002339.
The Royal Society of Edinburgh not respectable enough for you, Jimmy?

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from the BBC...
Hillsborough Wikipedia posts were 'sickening', Cabinet Office says

The government has said changes to a Wikipedia page about the Hillsborough disaster that were allegedly made on Whitehall computers were "sickening" and "disgusting".
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Another interesting website on the trouble with Wikipedia...

http://wikipediawehaveaproblem.com/

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from the BBC...
Wikipedia edit from government computer added Muslim insult

The charity that represents Wikipedia in the UK has condemned edits made from government computers after more incidents of vandalism emerged.
CLICK HERE to read the article.

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Trust your doctor, not Wikipedia, say scientists
says the BBC Health news website
Wikipedia, the online encyclopaedia, contains errors in nine out of 10 of its health entries, and should be treated with caution, a study has said.

Scientists in the US compared entries about conditions such as heart disease, lung cancer, depression and diabetes with peer-reviewed medical research.

They said most articles in Wikipedia contained "many errors"
No surprise there then....
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Dowsing on Wikipedia...

The history page showed up a recent bit of skeptical editing by a fellow called "Bobrayner"

So now it seems that it is unacceptable to even mention:

1) the FACT that water-divining is done commercially (and not just by farmers)
2) the FACT that some water-diviners work on a "no find no fee" basis
3) the FACT that experiments on dowsing are done under artificial conditions which don't reflect the circumstances under which real world dowsing takes place.

I wonder which Wikipedia regulation this breaks? :lol:

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Well he is, to use his own words:
working towards neutral coverage on subjects which often have few mainstream sources
He does seem to have a lot of time on his hands and/or be very busy.... Poor lamb...
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A quote from the very same guy on the Wiki Dowsing Talk page:
BobRayner wrote:It's a device which is claimed to find nearby substances but, in fact, can only succeed through chance and self-delusion: It is dowsing. bobrayner (talk) 15:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
"Neutral coverage"? You're having me on...

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from astrologer.com...
Wikipedia has been hijacked by 'guerrilla skeptics'!
An Idealistic Project is infected with systemic bias
CLICK HERE (link broken) to read the article.

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from the BBC...
Wikipedia blocks 'disruptive' page edits from US Congress

Wikipedia administrators have imposed a ban on page edits from computers at the US House of Representatives, following "persistent disruptive editing".
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Rupert Sheldrake is supporting a new alternative online alternative to Wikipedia called ISHAR, a repository of holistic and complementary therapies and psi phenomenon that will (hopefully) be sceptic free. They are currently fundraising on Indiegogo.

Click Here for details.
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from Rupert Sheldrake...
The Wikipedia Problem

How skeptical activists have captured Rupert's Wikipedia biography page and dozens of other pages, and what might be done about it.

A talk by Rupert at Hollyhock on Cortes Island, BC, Canada in July 2014.
CLICK HERE for the audio page.

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From Rupert Sheldrake's Facebook page:
Rupert Sheldrake wrote:An important new website is launched today, Skeptical about Skeptics http://www.skepticalaboutskeptics.org I am one of the advisors to the site.

Unfortunately, organized groups of skeptics are very effective in promoting taboos against parapsychology, alternative and complementary medicine, and other subjects that do not fit into a narrow, materialist worldview. Skeptical About Skeptics highlights skeptical organizations and their activities, features inside reports from skeptical congresses, gives a survey of current controversies, and includes a Who's Who of media skeptics.
Mission statment - "Members of militant skeptical organizations often think of themselves as defending science and reason against superstition and credulity.
These are worthy aims, but we at Skeptical About Skeptics think that science and reason are best served by considering the evidence for unexplained phenomena scientifically rather than assuming that
these phenomena do not exist because they do not fit in with materialist assumptions.
We support science, not scientific fundamentalism. "
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This looks like a relaunch of the old http://skepticalinvestigations.org/

In fact, if you follow the above url, it'll redirect you.

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