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I posted this on a beekeeping board recently and it turned out that quite a few beekeepers are dowsers - but does anyone here have an opinion/experience/evidence of the following:


THere are many people who can dowse for water and other - for want of a better word - 'earth energies'. I can do it to some extent and I know several expert dowsers (or diviners).

Bees' antennae bear a striking resemplance to the classic 'forked stick' used by many diviners. Could it be that they use their antennae to 'dowse' their direction home/to food?

Could this explain how drones and queens find the same mating sites year after year, despite the fact that the former only live for a few months and the latter only make 1-3 mating flights?

Could it explain why some hives, on certain sites, thrive, while others nearby fail - could they be 'auspiciously sited' over, say, underground springs? (or the other way round)

Has anyone dowsed an apiary to find the best locations for hives? There is some folk-lore that says bees thrive over underground springs, but I have never heard of anyone testing this.

Also, has anyone dowsed the health/strength of a colony and tested their results?
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Hi Beesontoast,

Great username BTW and I used to live very near Totnes (Stoke Gabriel) so was drawn to your post. What a stunning part of the country (not biased - much!)

Anyway, bees. I did an earth energy diversion away from a home which wasn't one of my finest hours...it worked well but I missed the fact that where I had diverted the line would intersect with another line and create a non-beneficial (to humans, what many call negative) vortex which bees and other insects (according to my research) thrive upon. In came a swarm of native bees 10 days later and they've lived there happily ever after...about 20yds from the farmer's house, about 10ft up. The farmer wasn't very happy initially but they're the softest bees imaginable and have never stung anyone..they have also afforded us the opportunity to watch their behaviour from the kitchen window. I've had the delight of watching a small lizard (6 inches long) go into their hole I presume in search of honey. The bees didn't bother him and he came out later unharmed and presumably much sweeter than when he went in!

In watching these bees, they clearly have preferred 'flight paths' although I am not good at tracing these by dowsing rod. I have traced a lot of 'ant motorways' (we have meat ants here: big and 'meaty') along the ground and they clearly follow energy lines BUT whether these lines were created by the ants repetitive psi trails or they're tapping into lines already there, I am yet to determine. One thing I do know is that their nests are generally on the edge of water veins, well, according to my research. Certainly the motorways can be followed by rod through swamps and out the other side suggesting something other than a visible line is laid down/followed.

Walt Woods in the US, a master dowser and bee keeper watched a bee run out of puff near its hive which was then 'refuelled' by a bee that came from the hive specifically (he intuits) to act as a helper. He calls these bees 'tanker bees' and how the tanker bee found the one that had run out of gas is speculation, particularly as the bee probably dropped out of any 'known' flight path but was found with surety by the tanker bee (in that it didn't buzz around looking for the other bee but came straight from the hive to the spot where his comrade had crashed). Do they use their antennae has a dowsing rod? Certainly it's likely to be tuned to energy somehow and I bet the length of the antennae isn't luck either but a geometrically-active (sacred) tuned length. The work of Philip Callehan might be of interest to you there, I suspect their flight paths and target zones are multi-factorial ie they're not just 'blindly' tuned to following energy or psi lines.

Work related by the late Sergei Bondarchuk from Russia at the 2003 Dowsing Congress showed that bee hives placed on negative (for us) vortices or 'geopathic zones' as they call them, produced up to 25% more honey than those placed 'clear'. The bees appeared to thrive in this environment and that's what I found with my unexpected little experiment at the farm. I will however dowse the health of the hive over time and see if there are any appreciable changes...we are not collecting honey from this hive (it's in the hollow of a tree) so I can't vouch for how much honey the hive is producing, but they are very happy bees.

Hope some of this is of interest.

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Hi Pauline.

Thanks for all the info - much more than I expected! And yes, I know Stoke Gabriel, of course - pagan apple festivals and big yew tree.

(BTW - beesontoast is also my Skpe name if you ever get a chance for a chat (should I be posting that here? - actually happy to talk to anyone interested in bees or dowsing)

I'm interested to know how you diverted the energy line?

And I will come back with more tomorrow as a friend has just turned up...
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Hi again Pauline,

So this opens up some more questions - wonder what is it about particular 'energies' that make them beneficial to some life forms and detrimental to others?

How and why would an energy line be diverted? I mean, how would one do it, why would it 'allow' itself to be moved, and why doesn't it revert to its original condition when one's back is turned?

Beekeeping and making a living (not simultaneous activities yet) take up so much of my time (when I'm not conducting international conversations) that I haven't put as much study time into dowsing as I would like to. I have read Lethbridge, Underwood, etc, but what I am finding is that - somewhat like beekeeping only more so - there are a lot of 'opinions' and unsubstantiated 'certainties' out there, that it is very hard to pick the wheat from the chaff. So what I need is definitive, demonstrable and replicable information, please! :lol:
You sound like someone who is grounded in something we might agree to be close to 'reality' - and you are from Stoke Gabriel, so you must be fairly sane... Now don't think that you have just been appointed my guru, but I am prepared to take what you say seriously. Hope that doesn't scare you!

BTW - can I quote your story about the 'tanker bee' on the beekeeping bbs? I have never heard of this and I'm sure it will be new to many others. Lkewise story about bees on energy line?

Another question - how do 'vortices', 'geopathic zones' relate - if at all - to underground water? I have heard that bees like to nest over blind springs, but no substantiation available.

OK, enough for now!

I'll be back.
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Hello again Beesontoast,

If you're waiting for me to give you definitive words on dowsing, I regret you are going to be disappointed. In fact if anyone told me they had the definitive words on dowsing, or probably anything else for that matter in metaphysics, I'd run a mile or ask them what precisely they'd been smoking. But then I am probably blunter than you, too many cider apples no doubt, Totnesians having a more gentle energy!

However, what I can offer is my current opinion based on my own experiences and urge you to go out and test everything you read/hear for yourself putting it through your own 'truth meter'. There doesn't seem to be any escaping from this aspect for me anyway and it will not only teach you about your dowsing, but about yourself!

If you want to learn about dowsing, and get the basics straight, I suggest that you take one of the Society's learn to dowse courses. In taking such a course, you will have a starting point - your 'yes' and 'no' response, the idea about how to find and follow and energy line, look for crossing lines, work out their polarity etc. and can frame your practice from there and get some of your questions answered no doubt by interacting real time. Such a course could save you from having to read a lot of books without a solid reference point by which to assess them except for their inherent resonance with you.

Then you can apply what you have learnt to your own situation, and you'll soon be able to dowse where the bees might be happiest and at the same time integrate and hone your observational and natural intuitive skills, which you're very probably using already but may not appreciate. You must be intuitive, it's in the water supply in Totnes isn't it?

When dowsing, your results may not correspond with another's or vice versa, but do not let this put you off, everyone/everything interacts with energy in subtly different ways. For you, the proof is in the pudding, or honey pot, since, all things being equal, you are getting more honey, or less, presuming that is your reference point, after moving the hive to a dowsed location. The only way to find out if you/your dowsing/your intuition is right, is to do the experiment and quantify the results. Otherwise we can argue all week (and then some) about what might be/might not be a good place for the bees.

If, for example, your bees are producing a veritable honey mountain but terrorising the neighbourhood in massive swarms and they suddenly don't like you much either, then the energy on which they are sited might be classically correct (non beneficial (to humans) lines and crossings) but too much of a good thing (presuming you've checked they're not hungry, hormonal, or just don't like your new aftershave) and so you'd be better looking for another position for the hive with this consideration in mind. Your dowsing wasn't wrong per se, you just needed to refine your site selection criteria. Of course you can dowse through all of these questions. BTW, when I mean 'too much of a good thing', I am thinking along the lines that some sunshine is good for us, too much is harmful and I believe the same goes for any energy that we can be under or over exposed to.

But what would I do in your position? I'd probably ask my dowsing system to show me the best place in a given area to place the hive which will provide the most flavoursome (or whatever criteria you have) honey, at an appropriate (or stated) quantity per appropriate timeframe and bees that are happy and healthy. So a place that represents everything's highest and greatest good and you might start by asking "does such a place exist within your selected area?" If not, you might have to step down your requirements or go elsewhere. As a bee keeper, I am sure you could refine such a 'request' and then ask to be taken to the spot using an L-rod or other device. Then if you're interested you could check out the underground springs/energy lines and whatever to give you some more feedback on your result and in doing so write it up on the forum and add to the practical knowledge in this area.

Another option I use is to draw up a simple table of criteria - bee health, honey production, overall 'happiness' or whatever criteria are important in bee keeping and get your dowsing to give a percentage scale result for each of the criteria that are important and recheck it on a weekly basis. Once you have some base data, you can use those to compare potential sites too and also see problems before they become too bad, say bee health or something. I use the table method to check on energy lines that I am working with and repair them when necessary. It's just one way that I use to allow me to see what is going on across that place. Others may use a purely intuitive route - the 'situation' will 'call' them when it needs assistance or is out of balance.

When it comes to labelling a line 'negative' or 'positive', I prefer to use non-benefical to humans/beneficial because what is negative to us, may not be negative to all things. Just because I find something that is 'negative' to me does not of course mean I should rush out and change it. Bees, ants and most other insects are a case in point here, (I actually typoed "'cake' in point" originally, would go well with your beesontoast!) since they appear to thrive in energies in which I, and other humans, don't. I don't quite know what the qualities are that cause such division (although some will suggest that this is to do with 'spin direction' and they may well be right) but I am quite convinced we need both qualities to be in balance...maybe 'negative' energies are positive to us for only very short amounts of time?

When I am working with energies, as opposed to just living in them (!), I tend to dowse my 'safe time' so that I know how long I can work in such an environment without my dowsing accuracy or health being affected. Since you work with bees, which if we are correct prefer energies that humans find uncomfortable, you may like to adopt a similar approach. Safe time is rarely set and static for ever. You may find your 'safe time' increases much as one's immune system is strengthened by a little stress....or decreases and this is an opportunity either to avoid the situation or look to one's own health and resilience and see what appropriate action can be taken to return your safe time to higher levels. As ever, energy is so very interactive.....

In classifying energies, we naturally get into the realm of changing/diverting them if they are causing harmful effects which can not be avoided. Such energies may be normally healthy and positive for example but are now stagnant, much as the energies in our own body can be similarly affected and relieved by acupuncture. Remediation can be done with earth energy lines either using metal stakes (earth acupuncture), map work (intent diversion), site work (intent, prayer) and there are numerous ways to do this, although I always ask if such change is appropriate. This is a whole topic in its own right and there are many different opinions on what works and how to do it etc. Some people find lines revert, I tend not to, though sometimes other aspects appear after the first work which need more remediation. Or maybe I missed them first time around. Who knows, I just do my best. I am sure there are a few threads on energy lines already and it would be worthwhile reading some of the Earth Energy Group's superb newsletters (link broken)
most of which are freely available on the BSD site under the Groups link. They also have an excellent glossary of terms (link broken)
which may help you sort your vortices from your blind springs....if not, another question to the Forum! From all of this research you will gain other points of view, just like mine, to put through your 'truth meter'.

You may quote the tanker bees discussion, but please credit Walt Woods, ex-President of the American Society of Dowsers with the discovery. The discussion regarding ants on energy lines is my own research to date...and far from complete...so as long as you don't write it as gospel, then please feel free to share. I would welcome feedback.

I trust I have answered some of your questions.

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Thanks so much for such a comprehensive reply, Pauline. I would love to attend one of your courses, but I fear that Oz will not be on my itinerary in the forseeable future. If time and finances permit, I wiill do one of the BSD weekends, or just pester the local Devon chapter members...

There have been some interesting posts on the dowsing thread on the beekeeping board. If you want to follow it, it's here: http://www.beesource.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi ... =forum;f=2 (link broken)
(in that place I am known as 'buckbee', by the way).

I will need to read your post again (probably several times) and follow up on your suggestions before having anything sensible to say in reply.

Meanwhile, could I ask something related to what seems to be your specialist area? My ex has been told that her bedroom has some bad energy lines passing through it and that she needs to spend about £400 on a fancy machine with which to banish them. I reckon that some well-placed lengths of copper pipe could do the job for a lot less. Do you have any thoughts on this?

Thanks again for your time and thoroughness, and have a happy extended solstice, if you know what I mean!
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G'day Beesontoast,

The Devon dowsers chapter is a fine mob by all accounts so yes, great idea to get involved there and I am sure they will be able to answer your practical questions and show you, right there and then! SO much better than trying to visualise in your head what I rattle on about.

Thank you for the Bee thread, I will look at that next.

Regarding your Ex-, as you will have read here, there are many ways to divert/transmute an energy line without resorting to some expensive machine. You can use prayer, intent, earth acupuncture etc., or a mixture for a 'belt and braces' approach. I would advise then 'setting and forgetting' but checking back maybe a month later if your Ex- has any further concerns, disrupted sleep patterns. There may be some initial disruption as she also adjusts to the changed energy 'scene', or there may not be, depending upon how much those lines were affecting her. When diverting, I always ask respectfully whether I may do so, and if I get a 'no' (very rare) know that I need to use a different method, be more creative with my solution (divert at a point away from the house for more effect or whatever) or just move the person's furniture instead!

Please also bear in mind, some energies labelled 'bad' are not deleterious to a person's health unless the time spent upon them is more than their system can cope with, although such effects can be cumulative. Of course with lines that go under a bed, where we spend a considerable, concerted time sleeping this is often not the case and action needs to be taken. I'd also remove/not use any Electromagnetic field risks such as power points plugged in behind the bed head, clock radios with digital displays less than 1 metre (more if sensitive) and any other electromagnetic clutter including swapping the electric blanket for a hot water bottle or five!

Raymon Grace has a nice technique where he scrambles the frequency of the line within the home, deactivates its life force (or anything for that matter, say a virus for example) and adjusts it to whatever is needed, in this case frequencies that are beneficial for the inhabitants of the home. He uses his intent to do this and his pendulum as a timing device to tell him when the action has been done. You might enjoy his book "Techniques That Work for Me" which the BSD carries in its bookstore or can be found online as a cheap e-book. http://www.raymongrace.com But, as I said, there are many ways to achieve the same effect.

No comment on your Ex- at all, but you may wish to bear in mind (and only experience will show whether this will be true for you) some people get great solace from expensive fixes and are disappointed if you come around and use simple (but effective) earth acupuncture or prayer and don't have a real 'song and dance' routine. That's their need to be 'special' and have 'special fixes' in my opinion, so don't ever be surprised if you do your best and they tell you it didn't work and they needed the expensive method after all! Just do your best and detach (let go and let God some would say) and always work on your own home/office environment/beehives first. That will teach you many things about you too as well as dowsing and earth energies.

Thanks Grahame for adding the appropriate URLs in earlier, I will do so in future if you can PM me how! I've only figured out websites to date. Duh.

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Hi Pauline:

There are a couple of 'FAQ'-type posts in the 'Forum Matters' section that explain how to do fancy stuff with your posts. Every time someone asks how to do something, I try to add to these.
I've just added this post, which will hopefully answer your question.
You might want to check that raymongrace.com link you posted - I can't get it to work at the moment.
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Hi again Pauline,

Thanks again for your comprehensive post. I have been reading web sites and books almost continuously since reading it! I'm going through Lethbridge's 'The Power of the Pendulum' again and have just bought a book called 'Secrets of Sacred Space' by an American called Chuck Pettis.

Terminology is confusing - no two people seem to use the same definitions of ley lines, for example. Some say they are energy lines, some say they simply connect power centres.... I guess I will have to do some experiments and make up my own mind.

I spent some time on Christmas day attempting to dowse a very interesting site - the old parish church of Buckfastleigh (do you know it?). It is prominently sited on a hilltop, beside the ruins of an older church. I am convinced that it was once an energy centre, but has been badly affected by extensive quarrying close by. There are some very spooky caves full of bats a short distance down the hill, which the River Dart apparently used to flow through - maybe this was the original source of the energy. Buckfast Abbey is close by, which, according one of the local dowsers, has some very unpleasant lines through it. Ironically, the stone for the abbey was quarried from the hill under the church, which was destroyed by fire in 1992. Buckfastleigh itself is a very odd place with known social problems - few people I know would consider living there. A particularly nasty paedophile ring was identified there some years ago. My sense is that the whole place has been affected by the disturbed energy around the church, but I don't yet trust my dowsing skills enough to be more specific.

There are numerous interesting alignments from the church, which appear to connect it to other churches and anciant sites in the area. This could keep me busy for years - in between beekeeping, of course!

I am experimenting with Lakhovsky coils and earthed metallised foil on my bed. I wonder if the bees would appreciate a Lakhovsky coil under their hives? I just know this is going to get me listed as a nutcase by the local beekeeping association!

Thanks again. I will do some more exploring...
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Hi Beesontoast;

I think you'll enjoy the Chuck Pettis book; it's very high on my favourites list :)

I think we're pretty much all in agreement that ley line terminology is confusing.
The more-or-less accepted definition of the BSD (and I'm generalising here) is that there are straight ley alignments of sacred sites that may or may not have dowseable energy, there are energy leys, which are straight yang-type energy, and then there are non-straight energy lines, such as Hamish Miller's Michael and Mary lines.
beesontoast wrote: Buckfastleigh itself is a very odd place with known social problems - few people I know would consider living there.
Interesting comments on Buckfastleigh, given that their main export product is very popular here in Glasgow amongst people with the same problems - I wonder if there's an energetic connection there? :)
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> I wonder if there's an energetic connection there?

Frankly, I wouldn't rule it out. I worked at the Abbey (bees, not booze!) for a year and the 'Glasgow issue' was frequently mentioned. I suspect (chemically, at least) that the combination of high alcohol content and caffeine might account for some of the problems you allude to.

A general comment on the board here - if I may be permitted as a newcomer - I have spotted quite a few "I have dowsed this so it must be true" -type posts. I have a healthy (I think) scepticism of such 'certainty', which appears designed to close down further discussion of the point in question. Are dowsers generally so sure of themselves? Reminds me of some beekeepers... :wink:
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As an aside to a fascinating set of posts on the possible dowsing abilities of bees, Beesontoast wrote :
“A general comment on the board here - if I may be permitted as a newcomer - I have spotted quite a few "I have dowsed this so it must be true" -type posts. I have a healthy (I think) scepticism of such 'certainty', which appears designed to close down further discussion of the point in question. Are dowsers generally so sure of themselves? Reminds me of some beekeepers... :) “
I do hope that the premise of "I have dowsed this so it must be true" is not prevalent among dowsers in spite of the impression that it might give, more that when “I have dowsed that…” is written, it means that the information that follows does not come from the conscious mind but from some other source. It also means, and I think this is most important, that I understand that the information is not part of my belief system so I am not trying to peddle a theory based on what I believe, merely to pass on what I have received as a dowser.

I really couldn’t care less if anyone believes what I write because anyone can check for him/herself by dowsing that information rather than applying their belief system directly to it, but I will have, I hope, provided food for thought and, if appropriate, further investigation or practise.

Surely a dowser doesn’t say ‘I believe/think that there is a water supply in the region of 56 gpm below this point so it might be a good idea to dig here “. Does he/she not have to be pretty confident that his/her dowsing is correct otherwise his/her reputation as a water dowser goes to pot ? He/she may actually be wrong but he/she is following the information that his/her rods (or other dowsing methods) are giving him/her.

Just as an aside, a couple of years ago two friends and I did a dowsed achaeological investigation at Dartington Hall where we found the remains of a building to the south of the chapel, and also an extension to the chapel itself. Our work attracted a few onlookers, one of who was the local vicar who asked to borrow my rods. He returned about half an hour later saying he thought he had found something on the main lawn. We wandered over to his site and found remenance that dowsed to be a very large wooden barn dating back to Norman times. The vicar, we heard later, had the confidence to broadcast, in his sermon that evening, the details of his find to a congregation of probably many non-believers in dowsing.

Incidentally I should be interested in what you may find out about the ruined church to the north of the Hall if you ever have the time to look at the place. I have always found the general atmoshere at Buckfast Abbey somewhat intimidating,

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Thanks for that clarification, Geoff.

I haven't dowsed at Dartington yet, but I will as soon as I get more confident, as it is on my doorstep. I used to live in one of the cottages close to the old church, so visited it often. There is a huge old yew beside it, said to be 1500 years old (something to dowse in itself) and that area does have a distinctly spooky feel to it - possibly not unconnected with the broken gravestones.

The church was demolished and moved (less its tower) - I think in the 19th century - to the bottom of the lower drive nearer to the village. Interestingly, these two sites form a perfect alignment with Littlehempston church, just across the valley. There is said to be a ley line through the arch into the courtyard and through the doorway to the Great Hall. Something else to check.

Recent building work (3 yrs ago?) uncovered a previously unknown tunnel, which, I seem to remember, crossed beneath the front lawn.

Good vicar story - nice to hear of an open-minded priest! I wouldn't like the monks to catch me dowsing the Abbey!
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I just found a web site that goes some way towards explaining the deeply strange goings on at Buckfastleigh church - devils, black magic and the origin of the Hound of the Baskervilles!

http://www.legendarydartmoor.co.uk/buck ... church.htm
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Pauline writes..."I'd also remove/not use any Electromagnetic field risks such as power points plugged in behind the bed head, clock radios with digital displays less than 1 metre (more if sensitive) and any other electromagnetic clutter including swapping the electric blanket for a hot water bottle or five! "


Are all electrical devices a risK? And can you tell me Pauline or anyone what is happening between our HEF (the "human electromagnetic field" that I have often seen mentioned in research) and these devices?

Thanks so very much!
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